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Chalam
Vooriki Bewarse
Username: Chalam
Post Number: 1466
Registered: 04-2004
Posted From: 148.87.1.171
| | Posted on Thursday, July 29, 2004 - 7:22 pm: |    |
good to see you too mama.
antha expression ichavendi bedaru ? paatha kakshalunnaya, thelchi padedham pada.  |
Raghuvamsi
Pilla Bewarse
Username: Raghuvamsi
Post Number: 27
Registered: 06-2004
Posted From: 69.167.90.90
| | Posted on Thursday, July 29, 2004 - 7:03 pm: | |
Neee @#$%^& nuvvaa baasu !!
Good to see you !! 
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Chalam
Vooriki Bewarse
Username: Chalam
Post Number: 1465
Registered: 04-2004
Posted From: 148.87.1.171
| | Posted on Thursday, July 29, 2004 - 6:53 pm: | |
soosinattu, ikkada chalam and OC. |
Onlychute
Kurra Bewarse
Username: Onlychute
Post Number: 368
Registered: 07-2004
Posted From: 148.87.1.171
| | Posted on Thursday, July 29, 2004 - 6:53 pm: | |
RV mama - aham 'neee' in IBDB. lemme know if you dont know who that is. 
pulp mama, thanks for the link to that guy's blog. twas nice reading that. wonder if anyone of our db members maintains a blog.
oka NTR koduku, oka ANR koduku, oka Krishna Koduku - past,present,future no.1s respectfully |
Raghuvamsi
Pilla Bewarse
Username: Raghuvamsi
Post Number: 25
Registered: 06-2004
Posted From: 69.167.90.90
| | Posted on Thursday, July 29, 2004 - 6:49 pm: | |
Chalam babai..
Mana poorva (IBDB) naamadhEyamEmi??
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Chalam
Vooriki Bewarse
Username: Chalam
Post Number: 1464
Registered: 04-2004
Posted From: 148.87.1.171
| | Posted on Thursday, July 29, 2004 - 2:10 pm: | |
pulp dude, chill man- I know it's tough to spend time on these DBs. I am doing that and getting screwed at work.  can only do one of these well I guess.
do find time and we can get something going. Jammu mama is also missing for a long time now. RV has come in from the old IBDB crowd, vulava I think is still missing unless one of us here is already that dude.
I have scores of issues with yuva least of which is madhavan's characterization. |
Phani_pulp_f
Pilla Bewarse
Username: Phani_pulp_f
Post Number: 49
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 202.153.38.91
| | Posted on Thursday, July 29, 2004 - 1:58 pm: | |
hi chalam..sorry for the late replies..been too busy lately..not enough time for this DB..am disappointyed myself that i'm missing them..two good threads started by u..will be back soon to post my views...
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Phani_pulp_f
Pilla Bewarse
Username: Phani_pulp_f
Post Number: 48
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 202.153.38.91
| | Posted on Thursday, July 29, 2004 - 1:43 pm: | |
Raghuvamsi..quote:In the end, I wonder if anyone empathizes with the character of Madhavan (at least, I guess that was the intention of the script)..So, in the end, lots of visual chutzpah not supported by equally good characterization spoiled a movie that could have been a real classic..
sometime back i read a review of yuva from a link provided by IBMAST...it was the best review i read on YUVA ...
here he beautifully clarifies the characterisation of Inba Sekar..but blames the casting where the role was beyond the calibre of madhavan..somehow i agree with this guy..here's the link and his exact words..
http://mdeii.blogspot.com/2004_06_01_mdeii_archive .html
The sheer bulk and weightiness of the story and its politics, removes the profundity from the last shot of Inba’s forlorn face. This is where it fails to be Rashomon. It is true that Madhavan with his (among other things) unfalteringly clean English makes for a lousy street-type, but any other typical porikki(lout)-looking actor would have come across more defined as a “villain” rather than as a “possible good-guy” with his public image. This is where this generation of actors misses somebody like a Kamal Hassan. If only he were young? Kamal Hassan would have been a convincing thug and bad-guy, at the same time been too adorable for the audience to label him a villain.
Here I would like to digress from Aaytha Ezhutthu and talk about Martin Scorsese, Robert DeNiro and Jake LaMotta. Inba’s character is unique, even among the annals of the famous anti-heroes like Dalapathi’s Surya and Michael Corleone. He more closely resembles Jake LaMotta, played superbly by Robert DeNiro in Martin Scorsese’s Raging Bull. He can be a loving husband, a good man, and at the same time, be an ambitious cut-throat and a wife-beater. Very complex an antihero, too complex for Tamil Cinema where all antiheroes are conventionally nice-guy “Robin Hoods”; and too complex for Madhavan: the ideal role for DeNiro and probably, Kamal Hassan. (Even Scorsese missed DeNiro for an equally challenging role in Gangs of New York).
So despite Madhavan being a misfit, he was probably (and by virtue of a contract) the better choice to play Inba Sekar. He did in fact try his best, but the very chocolate hero’s image that was vital in boosting his “lovability” quotient, was his undoing. As a result, the movie looses its Rashomon value of being thought provoking. This is most probably the biggest failing ofAaytha Ezhutthu. It has been a success for other reasons. But could we at least take solace in the fact that these “other” reasons are as unconventional and are not the regular songs, sex and violence?
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Raghuvamsi
Pilla Bewarse
Username: Raghuvamsi
Post Number: 22
Registered: 06-2004
Posted From: 69.167.90.90
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 - 6:22 pm: | |
Chalam babai.. I am the same Raghuvamsee from IBDB.. same old, same old..
Back to the topic on hand.. I guess I didn't mind the camera movement too much, as I read the bourne series of novels before (in fact, the bourne identity/supremacy/ultimatum were one of the first high-fi language novels I read).. so I was enjoying the big screen adaptation of these complex stories..
These novels are unbelievably complex (a trademark of all Robert Ludlum's novels) with the characters talking in all kinds of languages (French, German, etc etc.. okka mukka ardham kaadhu konni chOtla, as no english translations are given, even in the novel). But actually, you can visualize the amazing adaptability and intellect of Bourne in the novels.. so, seeing the novel on the big screen, I must have been more kind to the rapid camera movements..
All in all, this movie again proves that camera work can make or break a movie.. |
Hustler
Kurra Bewarse
Username: Hustler
Post Number: 339
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 138.87.235.105
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 - 3:52 pm: | |
Pardon me for the incomplete post.
i mean to say the scenes where ED harris and Jude law chase for each other to kill.. in those scenes the camera work was good.
Gopichand No#1 Villain and No#1 Hero |
Hustler
Kurra Bewarse
Username: Hustler
Post Number: 333
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 138.87.140.236
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 - 3:18 pm: | |
Another example of a good camera work is enemy at the gates. the scenes where ed harris and Jude Law were just great.
Gopichand No#1 Villain and No#1 Hero |
Chalam
Vooriki Bewarse
Username: Chalam
Post Number: 1463
Registered: 04-2004
Posted From: 148.87.1.171
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 - 11:54 am: | |
endi prasanth thammi, nuvvu kooda postu. Jai thammi lekapoye sariki nuvvu calm aipoyavendi ?
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Prasanth
Bewarse ke Bewarse!
Username: Prasanth
Post Number: 2542
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 203.199.213.194
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 - 9:49 am: | |
ARJUN-GUDUMBA going to rock box-office!!! |
Chalam
Vooriki Bewarse
Username: Chalam
Post Number: 1462
Registered: 04-2004
Posted From: 148.87.1.171
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 - 8:54 am: | |
Gaali mama, thanks.
RV maama - glad to hear your opinion ( are you the same guy from IBDB ? )
I am OK with any kinda jerky movements as long as it's required by the scene. BS has way too many for my comfort. for one, CF has referred to one of those, and there are scores where even when Damon is walking around, the camera moves like there's no tomorrow. I simply think the director overdid this. infact, I like the way he did the climax chase. it does get very fast but they also took great care to let us decipher what was happening to what car.
coming to yuva, I did not like the random camera movements too. again, I think mani was trynig the same thing as other diros, just to show the restlessness of the character. I have though other reasons for not liking yuva as much as I would hvae wanted to. it was a good love story pool but a bad attempt at political drama. |
Chirufann
Bewarse
Username: Chirufann
Post Number: 756
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 24.0.237.112
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 - 1:20 am: | |
raghu vamsi i am not talking about the airport scene.. that was very goodone..
i am talking about the fight with co-treadstone guy in berlin. where he attacks him in his house.. camera movement in that scene was absurd
 Megablockbusters of 2004 GS and SDMBBS |
Raghuvamsi
Pilla Bewarse
Username: Raghuvamsi
Post Number: 21
Registered: 06-2004
Posted From: 69.167.90.90
| | Posted on Monday, July 26, 2004 - 11:46 pm: | |
I respectfully disagree with Chalam and others who found Bourne Supremacy's camera movement to be unnecessarily shaky..
The intent behind using the rapid camera movements was to heighten the user's perception of incredible quickness of Bourne's reactions to adverse situations.. If the camera was sort of lumbering around, would you get the same effect?
You don't expect a slow-mo camera to convey the same effect as the super-fast camera - say for example in the scene where Bourne hits out at the security guard and the CIA agent in Naples airport - do you??
I found the camera usage in Yuva to have the opposite effect.. THAT came off as pure and unnecessary show-off, not something mandated by the pace of the sequence at hand.. The major complaint I had about Yuva was its desperate attempts at cinematic showmanship.. In the end, it felt that there was more effort spent at the show-off than at taking the scenes to their intended heights - I don't know how to say it in English, but in Telugu, we call it 'rakthi kattinchatam' - The scenes just needed to be a little more developed.. In the end, I wonder if anyone empathizes with the character of Madhavan (at least, I guess that was the intention of the script).. So, in the end, lots of visual chutzpah not supported by equally good characterization spoiled a movie that could have been a real classic..
If you feel that you don't share my views, no problemo.. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. Peace. |
Amar
Kurra Bewarse
Username: Amar
Post Number: 184
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 24.13.70.185
| | Posted on Monday, July 26, 2004 - 10:55 pm: | |
too much of anything will be distractive and gluttons in any field is not recommended.
Sometime back i read an article where reviewwer was trying to suggest gluttones in CGI was responsible for Star Wars 1 episode failure, although I dont completely agree with that article there is atruth in it.
so even camera techniques if used extensively can harm the mood.
some of the techniques i noticed while watching are :
1. If a movie is horror type, camera generally tends to stick closer to the protagonists and so the audience will always be on the edge thinking what will be coming from the area which is not shown in camera scope.
Ramu tried to use the alternate style of it for Bhoot where camera angle shows a large area, where audience can feel comfortable but are vulnerable for sudden movements of camera.
more to follow but how about analysing the horror movie making styles by others too
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Chalam
Vooriki Bewarse
Username: Chalam
Post Number: 1461
Registered: 04-2004
Posted From: 148.87.1.171
| | Posted on Monday, July 26, 2004 - 4:20 pm: | |
deyyam mama, neeku BI ye nachaledante BS aithe thalanoppi vachudhi.
I think more than the camera movement, yuva climax had superb editing. asalu scene cuts were really good - basic ga he had to show the melee and also make it sensible for us. baaga chesaadu.
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Deyyam
Bewarse
Username: Deyyam
Post Number: 835
Registered: 06-2004
Posted From: 157.182.197.133
| | Posted on Monday, July 26, 2004 - 3:59 pm: | |
Yes, Chalam gaaru. I did not watch Bourne supremacy yet, but i got irritated from Bourne identity itself. May be there was too much content to cover in a too short time and the director may not be able to build up that tension if he followed the usual style.
Lately, one such camera movement which did not irritate, but in my opinion gave the exact result what it was expected to , was from Mani's Yuva. The climax fight scene on the bridge, was really awesome. I saw this movie again on Computer too, but to my surprise, it looked very ordinary on it.
Bhoot hoon main. |
Chalam
Vooriki Bewarse
Username: Chalam
Post Number: 1451
Registered: 04-2004
Posted From: 148.87.1.171
| | Posted on Monday, July 26, 2004 - 1:29 am: | |
chirufann mama, IMO 2 reasons
- whenever a director wants to generate excitement or confusion in viewers, wants to make them feel the anxiety of the character on the screen, they resort to such techniques. so the idea was that Matt Damon is on the edge throughout the movie, so this kinda movement makes one feel that restlessness
- as mentioned in my first post, seems like this was hugely appreciated in his bloody sunday, so he did an encore. |
Chirufann
Bewarse
Username: Chirufann
Post Number: 754
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 24.0.237.112
| | Posted on Monday, July 26, 2004 - 1:08 am: | |
bourne supremacy cinema lo camera too much gaa oopesaadu.. in some action sequences.. it was really irritating..
whay did he do that????
Megablockbusters of 2004 GS and SDMBBS |
Chalam
Vooriki Bewarse
Username: Chalam
Post Number: 1449
Registered: 04-2004
Posted From: 148.87.1.171
| | Posted on Monday, July 26, 2004 - 1:00 am: | |
A while back, Amar and I had a discussion about camera's movement in movies. admittedly, this is a hot topic and I hope this thread becomes a collection of some cool camera movements, techniques, smart ideas etc - AND I hope people can cover all *woods ( meaning holly, tolly, bolly etc)
- about how excessive camera movement can distract the viewer, a classic example would be Bourne Supremacy. apparently, the director scored a win with this in his 'bloody sunday' ( I did not see this one) but in BS ( ) it gets distracting to the extent that it almost gave me a headache at times. a strict NO-NO IMO.
others , please add in your comments, observations of great camera work.
- another addition is citizen kane, simply AMAZING for a 1941 movie. bow to thee, welles miyaan.
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