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Vennela
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Username: Vennela
Post Number: 2647
Registered: 06-2005
Posted From: 66.237.36.130
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 5:14 pm: |    |
>>_____ I have decided not to inform my family of my decision.
ee provision kooda undaa?
really sad! |
Spitfire
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Username: Spitfire
Post Number: 2013
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 68.232.133.96
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 5:11 pm: | |
All:
It is really grusome - but I just thought it would be in perspective to look at the actual DEATH WARRANT. I am really reaaly saddened by this - this is one of a kind thing in the enitre world. Seriously it takes enromous courage and grit to do fill this written form in OREGON state.
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REQUEST FOR MEDICATION TO END MY LIFE IN A HUMANE
AND DIGNIFIED MANNER
I, ________________, am an adult of sound mind.
I am suffering from _______, which my attending physician has determined is a terminal disease and which has been medically confirmed by a consulting physician.
I have been fully informed of my diagnosis, prognosis, the nature of medication to be prescribed and potential associated risks, the expected result, and the feasible alternatives, including comfort care, hospice care and pain control.
I request that my attending physician prescribe medication that will end my life in a humane and dignified manner.
INITIAL ONE:
_____ I have informed my family of my decision and taken their opinions into consideration.
_____ I have decided not to inform my family of my decision.
_____ I have no family to inform of my decision.
I understand that I have the right to rescind this request at any time.
I understand the full import of this request and I expect to die when I take the medication to be prescribed. I further understand that although most deaths occur within three hours, my death may take longer and my physician has counseled me about this possibility.
I make this request voluntarily and without reservation, and I accept full moral responsibility for my actions.
Signed: ___________
Dated: ___________
DECLARATION OF WITNESSES
We declare that the person signing this request:
(a) Is personally known to us or has provided proof of identity;
(b) Signed this request in our presence;
(c) Appears to be of sound mind and not under duress, fraud or undue influence;
(d) Is not a patient for whom either of us is attending physician.
__________ Witness 1/Date
__________ Witness 2/Date
NOTE: One witness shall not be a relative (by blood, marriage or adoption) of the person signing this request, shall not be entitled to any portion of the person's estate upon death and shall not own, operate or be employed at a health care facility where the person is a patient or resident. If the patient is an inpatient at a health care facility, one of the witnesses shall be an individual designated by the facility.
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Singh |
Vennela
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Username: Vennela
Post Number: 2635
Registered: 06-2005
Posted From: 66.237.36.130
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 4:55 pm: | |
Thanks a lot Oohlala garu and Spitfire garu for your valuable inputs on the topic. |
Spitfire
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Username: Spitfire
Post Number: 2012
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 68.232.133.96
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 4:14 pm: | |
Oohlala Z:
You are absolutely right. Medical marijuana as an alternative has been discussed in the media and the courts more than the issue of "Right-to-Die". They are proponents on either side - but in my opinion it is hard to debate. I would lean towards RTD for the deserving - .
Singh |
Spitfire
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Username: Spitfire
Post Number: 2011
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 68.232.133.96
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 4:11 pm: | |
HM Z:
And to answer your question:
>>Spitfire garu, ante federally controlled substance kaakunda any other substance aithe parvaledu anna lines lo veltunda vaalla case?
Exactly. You are spot on! . That is the crux indeed.
OTOH forgive my spelling mistakes in all previous and future posts. SInce they are lengthy I tend to choose speed and conveyance over spellings.
SIngh |
Spitfire
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Username: Spitfire
Post Number: 2010
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 68.232.133.96
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 4:06 pm: | |
HM Garu:
>>Could you please elaborate?
Very very tricky to understand unless you are following the news carefully. The original case is not about Striking down the Oregeon Law. But it is widely reported in the media as tryin to oveturn the "Dignity of Death" law. Read carefull to understand.
It was originally AshcroftVSOregon and now Gozals VSOrgeon in the federal perspective. The Bush administration did not categoricaaly ask the federal appeals court to overturn the Oregon law,
Indeed, even if Bush,Gonzales & Co prevail in the case, doctors could still assist patient suicides under state law. Moreover, if doctors prescribed drugs to cause death not covered by the Controlled Substances Act (CSA), they would face no federal administrative sanction.
From my reading, this case is specifically about the following:
1)The ability of the US Govt to enforce a uniform and nationally consistent standard governing the legitimate medical use of narcotics regulated under the CSA(Controlled Substances Act) for Euthanesia.
2) Not to allow tax-payers money to be used for Euthanesia. In otherwords, the tax payers money that goes into subsidizing CSA drugs - and they should not be used to assist in killing.
SIngh |
Oohlala
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Username: Oohlala
Post Number: 60
Registered: 06-2004
Posted From: 192.18.101.5
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 4:01 pm: | |
Vennela garu,
This is a very sensitive issue. There is no black & white and a lot of grey area. I feel that every situation needs to be evaluated rather than simply legalizing it.
Remember the guy in hyderabad who was terminally ill and wanted to donate his organs but the courts didn't approve of ethunasia. I thought in this case (since his mother also agreed), ethunasia would have been better as his noble act would have given life to so many others.
You said:
>>is it not better to concentrate on pain management and providing sedatives?
That might open another can of worms: medical marijuana!! |
Cricfan
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Username: Cricfan
Post Number: 1138
Registered: 03-2005
Posted From: 129.62.49.120
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 3:54 pm: | |
good to have intellectuals like you guys in this thread
antha ledandi baabu edo kooti kosam koti tippalu |
Vennela
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Username: Vennela
Post Number: 2630
Registered: 06-2005
Posted From: 66.237.36.130
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 3:51 pm: | |
>>Ph D student in biological sciences
okaru already Ph.D chesina vaaru, okaru chesthunna vaaru, good to have intellectuals like you guys in this thread  |
Cricfan
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Username: Cricfan
Post Number: 1135
Registered: 03-2005
Posted From: 129.62.49.120
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 3:49 pm: | |
ABBE kadandi
oka Ph D student in biological sciences ga chebuthunna |
Vennela
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Username: Vennela
Post Number: 2629
Registered: 06-2005
Posted From: 66.237.36.130
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 3:45 pm: | |
>>srushti li annitiki parishkaralu undavu
cricfan garu, philosophical aa  |
Cricfan
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Username: Cricfan
Post Number: 1134
Registered: 03-2005
Posted From: 129.62.49.120
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 3:44 pm: | |
theoritical ga mee arguement baane undi
kaani prctical ga chusthe Euthansia adigina prati vaadiki isthe adi tappe
extreme case lo matram ivvochu
prati manishi Bathakalani untundi andi
KShanikavesam lo chachi podamu ani anukuntaru konthamandi atu vanti vallaki Euthansia apply cheyyakoodadu |
Vennela
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Username: Vennela
Post Number: 2628
Registered: 06-2005
Posted From: 66.237.36.130
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 3:44 pm: | |
>>It is specfifically lookinto the following : use of federally controlled substances for assisted suicide in Oregon.
Spitfire garu, ante federally controlled substance kaakunda any other substance aithe parvaledu anna lines lo veltunda vaalla case?
Could you please elaborate? |
Vennela
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Username: Vennela
Post Number: 2627
Registered: 06-2005
Posted From: 66.237.36.130
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 3:41 pm: | |
vere vishayaalu kadaandi, I am talking about euthanasia only. endukante idi pure ga life ki sambandinchina vishayam kada. vere vishayaalu ante honesty, sincerity, time sense blah blah blah, chaala untaayi. kaani oka doctor with the consent of his patient athaniki death medication prescribe cheyadam entah varaku samnjasam. patinet baadha tattukoleka nenu chahcipothanu baboi ante sare ani champesthaara. daaniki alternative ga emi cheyalaara? technology intha develop ayi kooda ila suicide ni encourage chesthe elaagaa? |
Cricfan
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Username: Cricfan
Post Number: 1132
Registered: 03-2005
Posted From: 129.62.49.120
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 3:38 pm: | |
But instead of aiming at this mercy killing, why can't the doctors/scientists pay more attention towards better medication or pain kilers, that would provide much longevity to the lives of the sufferers. Is it not a kind of negligence towards the suffering, that you have a simple and easy way to get rid of them.
anni samsyalaki parishkaram vethukutunnaru kaani annitiki dorukuthayi ani guarentee ledandi
srushti li annitiki parishkaralu undavu |
Spitfire
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Username: Spitfire
Post Number: 2009
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 68.232.133.96
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 3:37 pm: | |
HM Z:
I will give my view on Oregon shortly. But a couple of facts before I do that.
1)Belgium, Holland and Oregon are the three places where Euthanesia is allowed by law.
2) The case before the SUpreme COurt is different from what we are talking. The court is not tryin gto decide the veracity or legality of the "Death WIth Dignity act". It is specfifically lookinto the following : use of federally controlled substances for assisted suicide in Oregon.
Singh |
Cricfan
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Username: Cricfan
Post Number: 1131
Registered: 03-2005
Posted From: 129.62.49.120
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 3:36 pm: | |
Entha mandi Doctorlu tama profession ki nyayam chestunnarandi
entha mandi hippocratic oath ni follow avuthunnaru cheppandi
adi tarataralu vasthundi andaru edo oath teesukovali ani teesukuntunnaru
manasa vaacha evarandi patisthunnaru |
Vennela
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Username: Vennela
Post Number: 2626
Registered: 06-2005
Posted From: 66.237.36.130
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 3:35 pm: | |
>>aa patients entha badhapadatharo manaki anubhavistheni telisedi
yeah, agreed, that is the reason they resort to suicides and other fatal deeds.
But instead of aiming at this mercy killing, why can't the doctors/scientists pay more attention towards better medication or pain kilers, that would provide much longevity to the lives of the sufferers. Is it not a kind of negligence towards the suffering, that you have a simple and easy way to get rid of them.
nenu cheppedi entante life ni marii antha granted ga teesukune avasaram ledu ani. |
Vennela
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Username: Vennela
Post Number: 2625
Registered: 06-2005
Posted From: 66.237.36.130
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 3:32 pm: | |
>>rule paristhithulu marayi manamu marali
mari alantappudu oka doctor tanu degree teesukunetappudu enduku teesukovaali aa oath? why should they make it mandatory, when it should be treated as some outdated clause. Rule is a rule. Either follow it 100 % or deny totally. ee roju oka doctor oath teesukuni, next day euthanasia ki sign chesthe, imagine entha mocking ga untundo. |
Cricfan
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Username: Cricfan
Post Number: 1129
Registered: 03-2005
Posted From: 129.62.49.120
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 3:32 pm: | |
Its practicality VS being a romantic fool about some issues which should be judged on rationality |
Cricfan
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Username: Cricfan
Post Number: 1128
Registered: 03-2005
Posted From: 129.62.49.120
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 3:30 pm: | |
aa patients entha badhapadatharo manaki anubhavistheni telisedi |
Vennela
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Username: Vennela
Post Number: 2624
Registered: 06-2005
Posted From: 66.237.36.130
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 3:29 pm: | |
asalu Oregon state vallu ela legalize chesaaro naaku artham avvadam ledu, plus overwhelming support from the citizens, demonstrating with placards. Don't they consider ins & outs of legalities, while taking a decision, that too a serious life & death issue like this? |
Cricfan
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Username: Cricfan
Post Number: 1127
Registered: 03-2005
Posted From: 129.62.49.120
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 3:29 pm: | |
Hippocratic oath ni pattukoni veladithe ela kudurthundi andi
adi eppatidho rule paristhithulu marayi manamu marali |
Vennela
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Username: Vennela
Post Number: 2623
Registered: 06-2005
Posted From: 66.237.36.130
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 3:27 pm: | |
yeah, obviously, it is denied almost every where. Becaus it is absolutely against the Hippocratic oath taken by the doctors? No matter under any circumsatnec, they shoudl not prescribe a medicine that would cause death to the patient. mari alaantappudu vaallu terminal conditions ayina kooda euthanasia ni ela implement chesthaaru? |
Cricfan
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Username: Cricfan
Post Number: 1125
Registered: 03-2005
Posted From: 129.62.49.120
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 3:24 pm: | |
Us chaala problems vasthunnayi With respect to
ABORTION -idi oka complicated case same argument with god
I think The mother has every right about the child
ee vishayam marchi poyi abortion ban cheddamani
antha try chestunnaru |
Cricfan
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Username: Cricfan
Post Number: 1124
Registered: 03-2005
Posted From: 129.62.49.120
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 3:23 pm: | |
Vennela gaaru
around 2 months back anukunta
Hyd lo oka mother case vesindi high court lo kanna koduku ki euthanasia apply cheyyamani
Kaani Hicourt case dismiss chesindi |
Vennela
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Username: Vennela
Post Number: 2622
Registered: 06-2005
Posted From: 66.237.36.130
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 3:21 pm: | |
>>USA lo problem vashustundi church nundi
USA ne kaadu, world motham meeda only Netherlands lone legalize chesaaranta deenini. US lo only Oregon lo state law legalize chesindi anthe. Federal law still has differences w.r.to this issue. |
Cricfan
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Username: Cricfan
Post Number: 1123
Registered: 03-2005
Posted From: 129.62.49.120
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 3:21 pm: | |
It should not be applied to people withs short term problems |
Cricfan
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Username: Cricfan
Post Number: 1122
Registered: 03-2005
Posted From: 129.62.49.120
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 3:20 pm: | |
Naaku telisi Terminal ill patients ki ayithene manchidi |
Vennela
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Username: Vennela
Post Number: 2620
Registered: 06-2005
Posted From: 66.237.36.130
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 3:19 pm: | |
>>every person should have the right to decide whether to live or die
cricfan garu, is it under any circumstance or only in case of terminal illness? |
Cricfan
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Username: Cricfan
Post Number: 1121
Registered: 03-2005
Posted From: 129.62.49.120
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 3:18 pm: | |
USA lo problem vashustundi church nundi
valla abhiprayam enti ante Devudu srushtinchadu kabatti devude manalni teesukupotadu ani |
Cricfan
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Username: Cricfan
Post Number: 1120
Registered: 03-2005
Posted From: 129.62.49.120
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 3:17 pm: | |
every person should have the right to decide whether to live or die. |
Vennela
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Username: Vennela
Post Number: 2618
Registered: 06-2005
Posted From: 66.237.36.130
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 3:11 pm: | |
inka light teesukuntaanu Celest. munduku raaleni coward anukuntaanu anthe  |
Celest
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Username: Celest
Post Number: 1320
Registered: 04-2005
Posted From: 167.88.178.70
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 3:09 pm: | |
Singles nundi 5 star ani navvanu kaani malli single padindhi |
Vennela
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Username: Vennela
Post Number: 2617
Registered: 06-2005
Posted From: 66.237.36.130
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 3:03 pm: | |
Celest, why laughing? |
Celest
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Username: Celest
Post Number: 1319
Registered: 04-2005
Posted From: 167.88.178.70
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 3:02 pm: | |
mist |
Vennela
Vooriki Bewarse
Username: Vennela
Post Number: 2616
Registered: 06-2005
Posted From: 66.237.36.130
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 2:55 pm: | |
OMG, save me  |
Vennela
Vooriki Bewarse
Username: Vennela
Post Number: 2612
Registered: 06-2005
Posted From: 66.237.36.130
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 2:45 pm: | |
Durga garu, |
Durga
Desanike Pedda Bewarse
Username: Durga
Post Number: 9011
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 12.144.110.131
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 2:43 pm: | |
<<5 stars vesina vaallaki thanks>>
np..mottam eyyaleka, civari maatram esaa 
<<stars vaddulendi>> 
<<mee participation maaku mukhyam>>
meeru, firegaaru, etc cebbite cuusi nercukunttam |
Vamsea
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Username: Vamsea
Post Number: 1960
Registered: 06-2004
Posted From: 129.101.161.235
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 2:40 pm: | |
bewarse section ilaanti serious topics aaaaa
Naaa laanti sensitive bewarse ilaanti SERIOUS topics CHOOSI THATTUKOLEDU |
Vennela
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Username: Vennela
Post Number: 2611
Registered: 06-2005
Posted From: 66.237.36.130
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 2:40 pm: | |
5 stars vesina vaallaki thanks. stars vaddulendi, mee participation maaku mukhyam please share your veiws on the topic |
Vennela
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Username: Vennela
Post Number: 2609
Registered: 06-2005
Posted From: 66.237.36.130
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 2:35 pm: | |
Venu garu, modatlo ignore chese daanini kaani, marii too much ayipoyindi ee madhya. deliberate ga vestunnaaru enduko!
Kvs, yeah I will let you know soon. |
Kvs
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Username: Kvs
Post Number: 4769
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 69.228.234.121
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 2:27 pm: | |
mist na id kooda add chesi naaku singles evaru vestunaro kanukkondi pls |
Venu
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Username: Venu
Post Number: 6279
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 67.84.172.208
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 2:25 pm: | |
Spitfire sodara
I have some good news to share with you. Will call you some time.
Vennela garu
Naaku vese vallu, ye madhyana ponile ani veyatledu!! |
Vennela
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Username: Vennela
Post Number: 2608
Registered: 06-2005
Posted From: 66.237.36.130
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 2:17 pm: | |
Spitfire garu, yeah 'Reservation' has always been my favorite debatable issue and still it is
Coming to legality of the issue,
>>a) Inability to cover medical expenses could prompt mentally active people to choose death.
b) Potential lack of seriousness form the medical staff in not trying "every effort" to save patients as sated in the "Hippocratic oath"
considering the above two factors, I reiterate my point as to how would identifying this right bring us closer to the model death? is it not better to concentrate on pain management and providing sedatives? Also, according to their oath, the doctors should assure that no drug prescribed by him may cause death to his patient. So, how can this 'die with dignity' fit into this oath. Also, is it not a violation of federal control-substance law? How could Oregon state approve this law? |
Gochi
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Username: Gochi
Post Number: 10840
Registered: 07-2004
Posted From: 162.136.192.1
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 1:58 pm: | |
 adhi corresety maama...kaani medically ill anukune vaaru saavochu kadhaa bharinchalekapothe...ikkada right to die kaani right to kill kaadugaa kochen |
Durga
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Username: Durga
Post Number: 9002
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 12.144.110.131
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 1:56 pm: | |
fire babai  |
Spitfire
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Username: Spitfire
Post Number: 2008
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 68.232.133.96
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 1:52 pm: | |
HM Z :
Thanks you. I sure will share info on topics of interest. Is "reservation" still on your favorite list - just kidding . Anywas read ahead.
Gochi and Durga Sodaras:
One should understand that the ongoing debate is focussed on the medical professionals and not on the people choosing to die. Medical professionals have "individual" discretion in deciding proactive decision and effort to sustain natural life are futile and a patient should be allowed to die.
Courts have rules multiple times that an mentally active but terminally ill person always "can choose to die". The debatable extension to that facility is the role of family and well-wishers in that decision when the subject is in a vegetative state( se Terry Schiavo).
The abuse should be seen from the following angles.
a) Inability to cover medical expenses could prompt mentally active people to choose death.
b) Potential lack of seriousness form the medical staff in not trying "every effort" to save patients as sated in the "Hippocratic oath"
Th Federal court might "not be" in a postion to determine what is the actual "right of paractice of medicine". One should relaize that Dr.Jack Kevorkian could not be booked untile after 130 cases. The problem is with the defintion of "assited killing"
Of the five states that went to ballot on the issue - only Oregon was able to legalize that " a doctor can assit by providing drugs and other means - but cannot personally kill the patient. In other words since the patient is mentally stable and chose to die y using is sanity and rationale he had to kill himself - in other word suicide. The medical practioner was just a vehicle.
In Kevorkians case live transmission of the act of him participating allowed Unclse Sam to close him. More later ........
Singh |
Durga
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Username: Durga
Post Number: 8998
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 12.144.110.131
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 1:39 pm: | |
ade nee dozen ids thaadullo  |
Gochi
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Username: Gochi
Post Number: 10839
Registered: 07-2004
Posted From: 162.136.192.1
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 1:37 pm: | |
ekkada maama.. |
Durga
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Username: Durga
Post Number: 8997
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 12.144.110.131
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 1:36 pm: | |
gochio , akkada nee post lo neekedo adivice ichannu..kanisam daanini cuudaledu nuvvu |
Gochi
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Username: Gochi
Post Number: 10837
Registered: 07-2004
Posted From: 162.136.192.1
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 1:35 pm: | |
 durgayya..sinna pelli gurinchi oka thaadu veyyi..sooskundam.. |
Durga
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Username: Durga
Post Number: 8996
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 12.144.110.131
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 1:34 pm: | |
<<Durga garu, naaku aithe gatha konni rojulu ga vestunnaaru>>
comedy threads ayite ok emmo kaani, ilanti serious thaadullo veste adi sadism.. |
Gochi
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Username: Gochi
Post Number: 10836
Registered: 07-2004
Posted From: 162.136.192.1
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 1:34 pm: | |
 ettago die ayyaka rights violate sesaada ledhaa ani soodaleru kadhaa...oka vela violate sesinaa em peekalerugaa sanipoyaaka..kaabatti debate is waste of time |
Vennela
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Username: Vennela
Post Number: 2607
Registered: 06-2005
Posted From: 66.237.36.130
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 1:31 pm: | |
Durga garu, naaku aithe gatha konni rojulu ga vestunnaaru, venta padi mari. evaro kaani, vaallaki na saapaalu anni taguluthaayi |
Infinity
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Username: Infinity
Post Number: 4453
Registered: 04-2005
Posted From: 192.127.94.7
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 1:30 pm: | |
single gaa.  |
Vennela
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Username: Vennela
Post Number: 2606
Registered: 06-2005
Posted From: 66.237.36.130
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 1:29 pm: | |
spitfire gari post ki kooda single vesina moorkhulu evaro kaani vaallaki danda vesi dandam pettavachu. |
Durga
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Username: Durga
Post Number: 8994
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 12.144.110.131
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 1:29 pm: | |
evadess single esindi fire gariki.. |
Infinity
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Username: Infinity
Post Number: 4452
Registered: 04-2005
Posted From: 192.127.94.7
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 1:28 pm: | |
tumpara |
Durga
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Username: Durga
Post Number: 8993
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 12.144.110.131
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 1:28 pm: | |
fire babai caana tanx for the info |
Vennela
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| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 1:28 pm: | |
Spitfire garu, good to see your post after a long time. Thank you for sharing the information. The last two paragraphs of your post have cleared my doubts. Please do share more info, in your fee time. Thank you |
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Posted From: 68.232.133.96
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 1:22 pm: | |
HM Garu:
Ubhayakusulopari. Long time no see. I was just surfing by and saw the thread. Euthanesia and Mercy Killing are used interchangably for Euthenasia.
Some History: It has ben prevalent in som shape or form even before it was legal in the US. Dr.Death Jack Kevorkian has published research on this topic way back in 1956. Operating from Detroit Michigan he advertised i local papers as a Death COunsellor.
It is interesting to note that he used his indigenious "suicide machine" to assist ten people die and was taken to court seven times and atleast seven different judges in Michigan ruled Dr.Death could not be held and that "assisted suicide is a constitutional right."
Oregon State passed abill legalizing assisted suicide in 1994 and California termed "mentally competent, terminally ill adults have a constitutional right" to die.
Iy was not until 60 minutes aired a live assited suicide by Dr.Kevorkian in 1998 that he was formally charged and jailed - and he is still wating appeal.
I have done some reading long ago about this and some of the information could be wrong.
Having said that, assisted killing has been "ruled constitutional" many times but ONLY for the terminally ill. The "Right to Die" cannot be abused at will. The State of Oregon has measures in place to certify the "legitimate" cases from the abuse. So I am inclined to think that it is OK - if it is served as the privilege to the deserving.
In the decentralized judicial philosphy of the United States, each state has self-sufficient and non-answerable judicial and executiv power - so a federal regulation from the US Supreme COurt maynot be binding on the States in general. We could discuss exceptions at some other time.
Singh |
Infinity
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Posted From: 192.127.94.7
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 1:18 pm: | |
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Durga
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Posted From: 12.144.110.131
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 1:17 pm: | |
mercy killing n right to die ..rendu different optionsaa ? |
Vennela
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Posted From: 66.237.36.130
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 1:17 pm: | |
Tuntari garu, 
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Infinity
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Posted From: 192.127.94.7
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 1:14 pm: | |
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boring. |
Vennela
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Posted From: 66.237.36.130
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 1:13 pm: | |
Ok, enough of diversion. Mega bhayya, where di du go?
Coming to the topic of the thread - would identifying this right bring us closer to the model death? is it not better to concentrate on pain management and providing sedatives? |
Infinity
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Posted From: 192.127.94.7
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 1:12 pm: | |
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| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 1:11 pm: | |
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Infinity
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Posted From: 192.127.94.7
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 1:09 pm: | |
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it is easy. |
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| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 1:07 pm: | |
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| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 1:05 pm: | |
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Posted From: 66.237.36.130
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 1:04 pm: | |
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| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 1:02 pm: | |
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| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 1:02 pm: | |
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Posted From: 66.237.36.130
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 1:01 pm: | |
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Posted From: 80.196.137.189
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 12:58 pm: | |
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Infinity
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Posted From: 192.127.94.7
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 12:57 pm: | |
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Vennela
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Posted From: 66.237.36.130
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 12:51 pm: | |
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| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 12:48 pm: | |
Voorukondi mist feel avutharu |
Vennela
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Posted From: 66.237.36.130
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 12:47 pm: | |
serious thread lo kooda singles vese saddist evaru babu. asalu mee problem enti? I think u need euthanasia |
Vennela
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Posted From: 66.237.36.130
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 12:45 pm: | |
yes Celest, I wonder how this 'rigth to die' really works. I am curious to know if it applies to any person in general or only to the ill in particular. |
Vennela
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Posted From: 66.237.36.130
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 12:43 pm: | |
You know, these demonstrators in oregon are so rigid on their views, that they give n reasons to endorse the act.
Last night they even interveiwed a guy, who is suffering with boenmarrow cancer and whose euthanasia has been scheduled in few weeks. OMG, we can see how emotinally distraught one could be when one knows that one can not survive any longer in this world. Even his girl friend supported this. |
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Posted From: 167.88.178.70
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 12:39 pm: | |
I Am ok for mercy killing but this right to die ante Iam against it. this should be illegal depression lo edo decision tesukunte one cannot regret. ani na opinion . and there might be dependents on him or responsible ones for him valla paristhi enti |
Infinity
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| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 12:38 pm: | |
But, euthanasia is applied only on terminaly ill patients.
still.. i can not think of it. |
Vennela
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| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 12:36 pm: | |
>>in many cases people dont know waht they speak in troubles or get disturbed. so we can not simply do it
yeah, this applies to everybody in general. But, euthanasia is applied only on terminaly ill patients. |
Vennela
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Posted From: 66.237.36.130
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 12:35 pm: | |
>>But as an individual,one should have the right to end ones life.
SO, do you think one has the right to die under any circumstance, or only under these miserable unhealthy conditions? |
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| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 12:34 pm: | |
it is stupid i think. in many cases people dont know waht they speak in troubles or get disturbed. so we can not simply do it. |
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| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 12:33 pm: | |
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Megamama
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Posted From: 192.88.212.39
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 12:32 pm: | |
Well, the subject was all 'about' right and not the 'legal' issue.
If it were legal issues we can argue both sides.
But as an individual,one should have the right to end ones life. |
Vennela
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Posted From: 66.237.36.130
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 12:29 pm: | |
Also, I don't get this law being accepted only in teh satet of Oregon and federally it is termed as illegal. Why this universally condoned act is only made legal in teh satte of Oregon. The news item stated that in the entire world, only the Netherlands made this mercy killing legal, with the assitance of authorised physicians. |
Vennela
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Posted From: 66.237.36.130
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 12:26 pm: | |
So, if legally recognised, then would this right to die become an obligation to die when living would be too miserable at the cost of the patients' survivors?
I am on both sides of the debate and I see valid reasons on both ways. |
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| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 12:21 pm: | |
venne,
Yes an Individual should be given a fair chance if he/she wishes to end his/life...nothing wrong baby!!!
I second those oregon people. |
Vennela
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Posted From: 66.237.36.130
| | Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 12:19 pm: | |
Last night I was watching news headlines on CNN. There was a special news item on 'Right to die', which is being supported strongly by Oregon people. Apparently, there has been 100s of deaths reported in the state of Oregon, through this 'dignity death' process.
Is euthanasia -- the apparently generous killing of the ill really benevolent, encouraged by sympathy and respect for an individual's wishes?
or is it an act of murder and a violation of the human ethics?
What do you guys think? |
