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Author Message Kasakbabu Pilla Bewarse Username: Kasakbabu Post Number: 252 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 203.200.95.130 Posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 4:39 am: asalu Delhi jama-masjid Imam Ahmed Bukhari ni bokkalo endhuku thoyyaledho...vaadu chaalaa saarlu anti-INdian statements ichaadu.....adhe e US lo ayi unte kummi D vaallu eepaatiki..... monna vaadu malli BJP ki support Delhi MP elections lo Godfather Bewarse ke Bewarse! Username: Godfather Post Number: 15279 Registered: 03-2004 Posted From: 80.63.180.90 Posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 4:35 am: yaa mama.. mana vallu antha pichi puvvulu inkolu vundaru.. adee oka muslim religious leader ni arrest chesi vunte ee patiki oka range lo jarigevi godavalu.. mana vallu ekkada emi chesinatu mathram kanipinchadu.. psuedo-secularism Kasakbabu Pilla Bewarse Username: Kasakbabu Post Number: 247 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 203.200.95.130 Posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 4:30 am: But in Jayendra Saraswati's case, I agree with the author........... mana media vaallu erripookulu.....anti-hindu gaa raayadame secular anukuntaaru........Godhra riots lo Muslims ki jarigina anyayaanni highlight chesthaaru kaani......hindus meedha kuda chaala jarigindhi kadhaa...dhaani gurinchi emi raaayaru...... asalu TN Govt kuda erripooku laagaa behave chesindhi.....antha night appudu hadaavidigaa arrest cheyyaalsina avasaramemochindhi....adhe chala mandhi politicians meedha cases/proofs unnaayi kadhaa...vaallani endhuku cheyyaledhu....vaallani chesthe godava chesthaaru...adhe eeyanni chesthe godavalu alaantivi emi undavu kadhaa...... Kasakbabu Pilla Bewarse Username: Kasakbabu Post Number: 246 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 203.200.95.130 Posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 4:22 am: ok..thats my guess only....atleast 50% untaaru...alaa choosukunnaa nenu cheppindhaantlo nijam undhi kadhaa Kasakbabu Pilla Bewarse Username: Kasakbabu Post Number: 244 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 203.200.95.130 Posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 4:19 am: yeah.....with +/-5% Godfather Bewarse ke Bewarse! Username: Godfather Post Number: 15275 Registered: 03-2004 Posted From: 80.63.180.90 Posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 4:16 am: yap i agree.. but are u sure they are 80% of the population!! Kasakbabu Pilla Bewarse Username: Kasakbabu Post Number: 241 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 203.200.95.130 Posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 4:10 am: First of all, I am not an anti-Brahmin.... in the article, he mentioned about 1800AD.....what about the statistics before that period? ee caste sys vlle mana india ilaa thagaladindhani naa opinion.....education is not available to shudras(in the article he excluded some castes..but AFAIK they also come under shudras)... shudras constitute 80% of the whole population......how can a nation develop if 80% of its people dont get education? Kingchoudary Desanike Pedda Bewarse Username: Kingchoudary Post Number: 7065 Registered: 03-2004 Posted From: 210.212.245.241 Posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 3:34 am: Godfather Bewarse ke Bewarse! Username: Godfather Post Number: 15244 Registered: 03-2004 Posted From: 80.63.180.90 Posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 3:02 am: bagundi.. Esperanza Kurra Bewarse Username: Esperanza Post Number: 789 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 141.89.66.2 Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 4:35 pm: <<<< I need stars. someone please give me stars anni stars ni ban chesaranta kattam... Gula Bewarse Username: Gula Post Number: 2096 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 144.160.130.16 Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 4:34 pm: nenu sadiva babai motham...baga rasadu...ee british Lanjodukulu vachake manam ila ayipoyam Bhrigu Bewarse Username: Bhrigu Post Number: 1489 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 148.87.1.170 Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 4:34 pm: I need more stars. dumb fucks Idiot Bewarse ke Bewarse! Username: Idiot Post Number: 10124 Registered: 09-2004 Posted From: 199.245.32.11 Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 4:33 pm: salman nee doola enduku kaadu anali ani oka single gudda Indiainfo Bewarse ke Bewarse! Username: Indiainfo Post Number: 5026 Registered: 03-2004 Posted From: 130.243.43.216 Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 4:33 pm: bhrigu maharshi... neenu light ga ala ala touchings icha...naa uddesham lo ee article lo rasinavi ippudu aite exist avvatledhu mama.... adi aite sure... Bhrigu Bewarse Username: Bhrigu Post Number: 1488 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 148.87.1.170 Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 4:32 pm: itlantivi chadavali mama, chala vishyalu thelusthaayi. I need stars. someone please give me stars Desi_baba Bewarse Username: Desi_baba Post Number: 1300 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.82.243.74 Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 4:31 pm: Salman.. >>godavalu kakunda nenu chooskunta le ee davilogue gurinchi inka navvukuntunna...potta noppi vastundi... >>godavalu kakunda nenu chooskunta le entha confident ga septunnav mama... Esperanza Kurra Bewarse Username: Esperanza Post Number: 787 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 141.89.66.2 Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 4:31 pm: <<<bhrigu maharshi, first post nuvvu tappa inkevru chadivi undaru naaku telisi... Kaarreeesssttt. Indiainfo Bewarse ke Bewarse! Username: Indiainfo Post Number: 5025 Registered: 03-2004 Posted From: 130.243.43.216 Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 4:30 pm: bhrigu maharshi, first post nuvvu tappa inkevru chadivi undaru naaku telisi... Desi_baba Bewarse Username: Desi_baba Post Number: 1299 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.82.243.74 Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 4:29 pm: badriooo... Bhrigu Bewarse Username: Bhrigu Post Number: 1487 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 148.87.1.170 Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 4:29 pm: >> ninna GS malli choosadu anta mama dvd vachindaa ? nijanga choostha. FF cheskuntu Bhrigu Bewarse Username: Bhrigu Post Number: 1486 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 148.87.1.170 Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 4:28 pm: appudeppudo brahmins ni edo annanani nannu eskunnarugaa. ippudu stars evvadu eyyedee ? Indiainfo Bewarse ke Bewarse! Username: Indiainfo Post Number: 5024 Registered: 03-2004 Posted From: 130.243.43.216 Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 4:28 pm: ninna GS malli choosadu anta mama Esperanza Kurra Bewarse Username: Esperanza Post Number: 786 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 141.89.66.2 Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 4:27 pm: Desi_baba Bewarse Username: Desi_baba Post Number: 1297 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.82.243.74 Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 4:26 pm: Ninnati nundi neeku emi ayyindi mama... Bhrigu Bewarse Username: Bhrigu Post Number: 1485 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 148.87.1.170 Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 4:26 pm: trukolors maayya, edo dorikindi pettina. neeku ibbandi gaa unte chadavaku babai. MODs ki ibbandi gaa unte delete chesi dobbuthaaru neeku chethula ninda pani unte ade bhagyam le mama. enjoy chesko. Desi_baba Bewarse Username: Desi_baba Post Number: 1296 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.82.243.74 Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 4:26 pm: >>godavalu kakunda nenu chooskunta le Navvi navvi sachi potunna apice lo nee yenks... Truecolours Pilla Bewarse Username: Truecolours Post Number: 283 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 80.66.40.85 Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 4:24 pm: mama neeku pani bongu undadha maa? initial gaa nee threads/posts antee bayataki cheppakapoyuna chala intresting gaa undevi.. ippudu ekkada chusina devulla meedha swamula meedha bapanalla meedha paddavu.. Mods ki cheppi sepaarte section eyunchukoo mama plzz neeku dannam edathanu.. Bhrigu Bewarse Username: Bhrigu Post Number: 1484 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 148.87.1.170 Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 4:24 pm: yehe, newspaper lo ochindi kadaaa ?? godavalu kakunda nenu chooskunta le akkada evarnee, emi anatlaaa Desi_baba Bewarse Username: Desi_baba Post Number: 1295 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 199.82.243.74 Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 4:24 pm: Salmann..ittanti linkulu avasarama?? Bhrigu Bewarse Username: Bhrigu Post Number: 1483 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 148.87.1.170 Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 4:21 pm: http://www.dailypioneer.com/columnist1.asp?main_va riable=Columnist&file_name=jain/jain54.txt&writer= jain brahmana dveshulu chadavalsina article lazy fellows kosam copy paste chesthunna The Brahmin and the Hindu As Swami Jayendra Saraswati stoically braves the onslaught of secular oppression unleashed by an unholy alliance of Government and media, it is clear that his tormentors have no case, have failed hopelessly in their nation-wide fishing expedition, but are nonetheless determined to keep him incarcerated. Nothing the judiciary has done so far gives ground for hope, so Swamigal's devotees may well prepare for a long eclipse of justice. There is no legitimate cause to believe that the Kanchi Peetham's lawyers are not up to the mark, as was initially feared when bail did not materialise on the first day, as it should have. The Matham's meticulously drafted public statement, which appeared in select newspapers on 7 December 2004, reflects the professional skill of those engaged in defending the Swami. We must, therefore, take it in the spirit that the scales are tilted against us. The Hindu-hating media has noted with satisfaction that adherents of Sanatan Dharma lack the terrorising talents of Abrahamic faiths, and we may concede this. We have tolerated blasphemies such as the Shankaracharya's "plans" to flee to Nepal, but we have not asked how the Snam Progetti employee who became a political embarrassment to Signora Sonia Gandhi successfully escaped from the capital in a most timely fashion. Meanwhile, Brahmin-bashers have rushed to fish in troubled waters. It is being said that Ms Jayalalithaa ordered the action against the Shankaracharya because she needed to shed her pro-Brahmin image and curry favour with the Dravidian masses. It is being insinuated that the Brahmin community is an ogre that has been sucking the blood of the Hindu people for centuries. As the attempt to de-link the Hindu community from the Brahmin preceptor who preserved Dharma through a thousand years of oppression instantly reminds one of the mischief of the British Raj, it is worth scrutinising the language of its modern advocates. The Aryan Invasion Theory, raison detre for the north-south divide, has been debunked internationally. Brahmin-bashing, however, is one of the corrosive legacies of the Raj that has not been challenged head-on. It is therefore instructive to ask if Brahmins truly monopolised all access to education in the pre-British era, and thus cornered all avenues of employment. What kind of access did non-Brahmin castes have to education in south India before the British liberated them (sic) from the stranglehold of Brahmin control? Dharampal (The Beautiful Tree) has effectively debunked the myth that Dalits had no place in the indigenoullkkks system of education. Sir Thomas Munro, Governor of Madras, ordered a mammoth survey in June 1822, whereby the district collectors furnished the caste-wise division of students in four categories, viz., Brahmins, Vysyas (Vaishyas), Shoodras (Shudras) and other castes (broadly the modern scheduled castes). While the percentages of the different castes varied in each district, the results were revealing to the extent that they showed an impressive presence of the so-called lower castes in the school system. Thus, in Vizagapatam, Brahmins and Vaishyas together accounted for 47 per cent of the students, Shudras comprised 21 per cent and the other castes (scheduled) were 20 per cent; the remaining 12 per cent were Muslims. In Tinnevelly, Brahmins were 21.8 per cent of the total number of students, Shudras were 31.2 per cent and other castes 38.4 per cent (by no means a low figure). In South Arcot, Shudras and other castes together comprised more than 84 per cent of the students! In the realm of higher education as well, there were regional variations. Brahmins appear to have dominated in the Andhra and Tamil Nadu regions, but in the Malabar area, theology and law were Brahmin preserves, but astronomy and medicine were dominated by Shudras and other castes. Thus, of a total of 808 students in astronomy, only 78 were Brahmins, while 195 were Shudras and 510 belonged to the other castes (scheduled). In medicine, out of a total of 194 students, only 31 were Brahmins, 59 were Shudras and 100 belonged to the other castes. Even subjects like metaphysics and ethics that we generally associate with Brahmin supremacy, were dominated by the other castes (62) as opposed to merely 56 Brahmin students. It bears mentioning that this higher education was in the form of private tuition (or education at home), and to that extent also reflects the near equal economic power of the concerned groups. As a concerned reader informed me, the "Survey of Indigenous Education in the Province of Bombay (1820-1830)" showed that Brahmins were only 30 per cent of the total students there. What is more, when William Adam surveyed Bengal and Bihar, he found that Brahmins and Kayasthas together comprised less than 40 per cent of the total students, and that forty castes like Tanti, Teli, Napit, Sadgop, Tamli, etc., were well represented in the student body. The Adam report mentions that in Burdwan district, while native schools had 674 students from the lowest thirty castes, the 13 missionary schools in the district together had only 86 students from those castes. Coming to teachers, Kayasthas triumphed with about 50 per cnet of the jobs and there were only six Chandal teachers; but Rajputs, Kshatriyas and Chattris (Khatris) together had only five teachers. Even Dalit intellectuals have questioned what the British meant when they spoke of "education" and "learning". DR Nagaraj, a leading Dalit leader of Karnataka, wrote that it was the British, particularly Lord Wellesley, who declared the Vedantic Hinduism of the Brahmins of Benares and Navadweep as "the standard Hinduism", because they realised that the vitality of the Hindu dharma of the lower castes was a threat to the empire. Fort William College, founded by Wellesley in 1800, played a major role in investing Vedantic learning with a prominence it probably hadn't had for centuries. In the process, the cultural heritage of the lower castes was successfully marginalised, and this remains an enduring legacy of colonialism. Examining Dharampal's "Indian science and technology in the eighteenth century," Nagaraj observed that most of the native skills and technologies that perished as a result of British policies were those of the Dalit and artisan castes. This effectively debunks the fiction of Hindu-hating secularists that the so-called lower castes made no contribution to India's cultural heritage and needed deliverance from wily Brahmins. Indeed, given the desperate manner in which the British vilified the Brahmin, it is worth examining what so annoyed them. As early as 1871-72, Sir John Campbell objected to Brahmins facilitating upward mobility: "The Brahmans are always ready to receive all who will submit to them - The process of manufacturing Rajputs from ambitious aborigines (tribals) goes on before our eyes." Sir Alfred Lyall was unhappy that "more persons in India become every year Brahmanists than all the converts to all the other religions in India put together... these teachers address themselves to every one without distinction of caste or of creed; they preach to low-caste men and to the aboriginal tribes"; in fact, they succeed largely in those ranks of the population which would lean towards Christianity and Mohammedanism if they were not drawn into "Brahmanism". So much for the British public denunciation of the exclusion practiced by Brahmins! Swami Jayendra Saraswati belonged to this league of Brahmin preceptor so hated by proselytisers. He even rebelled against Paramacharya Chandrashekhar-endra Saraswati in order to serve the Dalits. He became vulnerable to the present conspiracy because of the liberal access he permitted to himself. }